Altered Knowledge: ATG Knee Noise

This week, our ATG blog focuses on knee noise, what it is, and how you can reduce it. Knee noise can be scary, but it doesn’t mean you…

By Logan Kelly, July 8, 2023

Hello All,

My primary specialty is knee ability training and reversing knee pain. I am an ATG Certified L1 coach (1 of 2 in Ohio). ATG stands for Athletic Truth Group and was founded by Ben Patrick (KneesOverToesGuy on social media) with a focus on helping people get out of knee pain. To expose everyone to more of ATG/KOT, I will be summarizing articles written by Ben and other ATG coaches. This week we will be talking about “Knee Noise” Some of you might know this as that clicking or grinding sound.

This is something that I have plenty of experience with. Throughout most of high school and college, I would hear a click anytime I squatted or walked. However, I now only deal with this rarely, if not fully warmed up, but still; the psychological relief is amazing. Even Ben dealt with this issue while developing his KOT/ATG programming. And keep in mind that he also dealt with this pain for 10+ years and across 3 knee surgeries. However, after building up his knee health, he rarely hears any noise, although he has said he can still hear it in specific exercises. But there is a pattern with me, Ben, and all other knee success stories.

“GREATER PROTECTION = LESS NOISE”

The best part is that using the ROKP exercises that I’ve talked about in other blogs can be used to help reduce noise.

Typically what people have tried in the past, maybe even you have tried before, is to Google “knee noise” and what comes up is RICE (Rest, Ice, Compression, Elevation). But the unfortunate truth is following that protocol will actually delay your healing. The original proponent and coiner of RICE, Dr. Gabe Merkin, has taken those statements back. In fact, applying heat (in moderation) helps to increase blood flow to the area, which provides fresh oxygen, blood, and nutrients.

The great news is that even if you are experiencing knee noise, this doesn’t mean your knees are any less functional. In fact, a study by Pazzinatto, Marcella Ferraz et al. found “Individuals with crepitus (knee noise) had a lower self-reported function, quality of life and higher pain tolerance compared to those without crepitus […] the presence of knee crepitus is not associated with an objective function or knee strength.”

What this means is that you are so much closer to overcoming that lingering knee pain than you think and close to having a better quality of life and knee health! In fact, if you Google “what is crepitus caused by” you’ll find that it’s air seeping into the knee joint (increased pressure). Strengthening the knee joint can help reduce this pressure. In conclusion, knee noise can be reduced or eliminated through strengthening. And you don’t have bad knees, just built-up pressure.

– Coach Logan

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I tried just about every sport growing up and soccer is the one that stuck. I’m a classic center midfielder – loud, assertive, and able to see the whole picture and make assessments on the fly. I still enjoy playing in rec leagues, although my last season ended with a knee to the cheekbone and a black eye and I haven’t returned to sport postpartum. I started CrossFit in the fall of 2011 at the suggestion of a college professor and really enjoyed the struggle. This was my first experience lifting weights and exercising for enjoyment rather than just being better at soccer. During pregnancy, I had a tough time being motivated to exercise, even though I was in the gym all the time coaching. In the first trimester, I felt sick a lot, the second trimester was better and I resumed a lot of activity, but in the third, I was very uncomfortable and mostly stuck to walking. Returning to the gym was a humbling experience. I started very basic and worked my way back to following our Build programming. I enjoy swimming a lot and got into distance running (slow pace and like 5-10 miles) during the pandemic lockdown. I used to be diligent about doing interval track workouts once a week (and even dragged Coach Rhett along) but those haven’t made a comeback postpartum. I have a C2 bike that I enjoy doing longer rides on and am tentatively planning for a triathlon in July. Currently my training is the 3 Build workouts/week with additional cardio-only workouts on the side – and maybe the occasional Lift+Move if it really looks fun. Fast Facts: -I play cello – I was in the symphony in college at WKU and we went to China for a 2-week tour the May after I graduated. -I am the oldest of 4 children. My sister and brother had babies the same year as I had Ellie – my youngest brother was in Africa with the Peace Corps so he got a pass. -My husband (Greg) is a firefighter with Batavia Township. He exercises primarily in our garage gym but sometimes he makes an appearance at the gym. -I collect Harry Potter Legos. -I have 2 dogs (a black lab mix and a mini schnauzer). Greg and I met at a dog park while I was in grad school. -My favorite fiction book is The Princess Bride (yes, it’s the book the movie is based on) and the personal development book I got the most out of reading is Atomic Habits.

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I am Dayton born and raised. I grew up in Oakwood and played various sports throughout school, with my two favorites being cross country and lacrosse. While on the OHS Lacrosse team, I was a 4-year varsity athlete and 2-year captain. I am still involved with the team in several ways, primarily as a strength and assistant defensive coach. During my last two years of high school, I also attended Centerville High School for their Exercise Science program. Upon graduation, I attended Ball State University, earning a degree in Exercise Science in 2022. Since then, I have worked as a CrossFit coach and personal trainer. My specialty is ATG (knee ability training). This is also referred to as knee-over toes training, popularized by Ben Patrick (KneesOverToesGuy). This methodology focuses on strengthening the muscles and connective tissues around the knees by getting our knees over our toes. In my experience, this is especially useful in combatting shin splints, ACL injuries, and patellar tendinopathy (jumper’s knee). Even as a healthy individual, this can be beneficial in protecting the knee from future damage and gives you peace of mind so that you can play with kids, grandkids, pets, etc

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My first year at Ball State was a big turning point. I was enrolled as a pre-med student but had no sense of direction. My body was in constant pain because I neglected physical activity to prioritize my studies. Upon completing my first semester, I was already unhappy and burnt out. I began training more with the help of a friend and never looked back. I changed my path to Exercise Science. I still didn’t fully know what I wanted, but through the help of professors and perseverance, I am where I am today.

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I coach to help as many people as I can become the best version of themselves. In my eyes, my success is only the success of my clients. I am dedicated to helping those who are experiencing/worried about knee pain and mobility limitations and anyone who walks through the gym doors. My motivation is helping people achieve things they never thought possible: the excitement and renewed confidence from being in the gym and seeing them transform into new people.

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